Discussion Thread
voicedubz for Voice your thoughts here
1 Verification Badge
2 Pro Section
3. Anything else on your mind.
Very well said although I'd have to disagree on the paying point. We'd like to really try to stay away from CCC becoming like the P2P sites (the difference is what makes CCC great and welcoming to so many people). In regards to what you said about the Pro section everything was great! I think you really hit that on the nail!
Let me clarify regarding the paid verification. I do not want CCC to become a P2P site either as that defeats the purpose of CCC. That's why I had said it should be a one time payment. Some voice actors mentioned, they want a more detailed explanation to why they are getting rejected and what they can do to improve. However, giving a detailed and meaningful response takes a lot of time and should come from an experienced professional. This has a cost and this cost should be something the voice actors bare. An entry barrier like this will reduce the amount of people who just randomly submits for verification because its free and the cost is low enough that those who are serious can still afford it relatively comfortably. This would give the badge some value and maybe even get some interest from casting directors with actual budgets to try the site.
Yeah admittedly it already is very time consuming as it is to go through like a hundred verification requests a day. It probably takes me fifteen hours a month, almost a whole day out of my month; to do verifications (and then get shit on by everyone when I finally make a mistake). To give a detailed response would be insane even if all five mods were doing it. But hey if I was getting paid I wouldn't mind giving the detailed responses lol. But I think if people were to pay to get verified it would need to be something much lower. In addition, no one on the mod team is a professional VA (granted I'm more than happy to offer advice on how one can improve their audio quality and I think Magic Al knows a good deal about EQ). It's an interesting concept though for sure, could work.
I think that would be why you need to charge a higher rate. You would be able to hire professionals to evaluate for you rather than having mods who aren't professionals give advice for cheap. I've seen this kind of service being offered between $75-130 but the response you get is well worth the price. Otherwise the pro section would still be filled with hobby actors and there would be no point in having a pro section would there?
Interesting point
I don't think voice actors should have to pay an upfront fee to use a pro section when paying that fee dose not ensure them paid work just like all the p2p sites voices.com,voice123 etc having to pay just to audition I find that very unfair. What I think might work though is what some of the film extra agencys I am registered with do. They do it so you register an account for free and send in photos and if you are accepted (being that your photos are up to standards) you are then on there books and they deduct there fee from your first paid job so maybe for CCC if you wish to do a payment system what you could try is have a badge for audio quality which in turn gives the voice actor the ability to audition on the given project in the pro/paid section of the site wast others that are not verified still have access to view the pro/paid section but not audition or comment and for casting directors that want to audition voice actors through the pro/paid section have to advertise a minimum payment for the voice actors work. (you could base this on industry standards or a little under) and once cast for there project a small fee from the voice actor being able to audition in the pro/paid section could be deducted from that paying job. you could even have it both ways were a payment is deducted from the voice actor on the casting directors project. and a separate payment is deducted for the casting director for using CCC to cast there voice actors. just my thought.
This might be a good starting point. However, the issue I have found with using agencies for Extras is that they have a ton of actors that can't act. They are usually filled with people who are just there because they want to see what a movie set looks like. Most of the registered actors have likely never had a speaking role as an actor. Also, having regulated transactions happen on a site will cost a lot of money to set up. It's won't be as simple as putting a paypal button in the menu bar. I guess it will come down to how deep of a pocket CCC has.
I was just giving the payment system as an idea. not relating to if a person can or cant act. That has nothing to do with it. just the system they use. I think it makes it worth the persons while. A membership fee for a year on castingcollective is £60 which is only deducted after a first paid job. and then 15% commision fee for the service untill you have to reregister. I dunno about you but paying an upfront fee for a service to not even be guarantied work..to me that ain't right. it makes much more sense for a fee to be taken from a first time job not a one time payment before hand. add the verified audio and verified acting badges as some people suggested and that further rules out the pros for the serious clients if and when CCC attracts them. and in turn will make the people starting out or who don't have verification to work harder at there craft to get verified or rule out the serious from the not so serious. at the end of the day clients want good people,trustworthy,professional . having a demo reel. filled out profile and experience shows that you can be taken seriously. EDIT. I diden't say it was going to be easy and I have no idea how you would go about it. but the fact that agency's do it means it can be done. I just don't see why they don't do it with things like acting or voice acting. why dose one have to pay a monthly fee for an upfront fee for a service that is not guarantied them work.
I would prefer to pay an audio engineer I hire independently, rather than be required to use the in-house expert. I'd only be behind your idea if it's an optional cost that people can bypass if they'd rather figure it out on their own.
the issue with this is that CCC would lose control over the QC if they approved something just because the actor said they found someone outside. Perhaps they could give options for talents to receive feedback or to just get a yes or no for a cheaper price.
I'm not talking about the verification itself, I'm talking about the detailed feedback you're saying we should be paying for. I think it would be a 100% bad idea to put actual verification power in the hands of a hired 3rd party.
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